Multiple page article

[theplayer]

I have install the demo of Vivvo and there is one problem why we can't use the cms if the option is not in Vivvo.

Is there a way to setup multiple page articles? if no can you make
it or is it in a update between now and say: 1 or 2 months?

If not we must search for another cms..... we have a very big review site so the articles are several pages big.

P.S. i see on the forum the same question but almost one year ago! so i don't think you guys make this option fast in Vivvo ?

[boccio]

Unfortunately, Vivvo does not have multi-page article feature. We want to add this feature of course, but I really cannot guarantee any time frame. Though, I can say it definitely won't happen in next 2 months.

[theplayer]

Is there anyway how i can fix this till that time?

Unfortunately, Vivvo does not have multi-page article feature. We want to add this feature of course, but I really cannot guarantee any time frame. Though, I can say it definitely won't happen in next 2 months.

[boccio]

Not sure... It isn't something that can be "fixed", I'm afraid. At least, not in an elegant way. You can use sub-categories as article holders, and articles inside as individual sub-sections, but this is really cumbersome...

[theplayer]

I hope you will add this feature soon, its a very normal option in the most cms systems! I'm waiting to buy Vivvo till there is a multiple page article option.... Lett me know when its in there, thnx!

[theplayer]

just saw an other topic about multiple pages question. It was from feb. 2007, your answere was also, yes very good idea and we gonna make this.... but it is almost a year after that post!

Please can you give me an update or time when the multiple pages add-on is in Vivvo cms?

[boccio]

This is correct, there was a thread about this a year ago. I do not wish to leave you with "yes/no" categorized answer, so here is the short story behind this... If you get bored, just remember - you asked for it :D

Having multi-page articles is not a rocket science at all, however it does pose a serious performance issue. Our goal with Vivvo is to provide a scalable, robust platform that is very fast and stable in high-traffic environment and can serve websites with up to 40-50,000 uniques per day without noticeable performance degradation. If you by any chance have 100K uniques a day, I assume you'll also have an adequate hardware for that adventure, so I won't take those scenarios into consideration now :)

So, where does multi-page articles fit into this? This feature puts considerable load onto MySQL and increases number of db queries significantly. If we were to introduce this feature every sub-page (or section) would have its sub-headline as well (among other things), which means a number of nested queries (JOINs) for each page generation. We already performed some stress-tests with this in, and we're not too satisfied with the results, which is why we haven't released this feature yet.

This feature can be implemented easily, and could work flawlessly on websites with moderate load. However, on high-traffic websites it would not fulfill the expectations. I know that number of CMS's out there have this option, but Vivvo's policy was never to chase catchy features just to make few sales more... If a feature or concept cannot perform flawlessly in demanding environment, we do not include it. As simple as that.

Bottom line? As I said a number of times - we will have multi-page eventually. 4.0.3 patch was all about optimizations and performance upgrades, and for 4.1 release we plan on introducing much more powerful caching mechanism, among other things. Some initial speed tests we performed gave up to three times faster page generating time than existing caching mechanism. If multi-page passes our rigorous speeding tests with 4.1 platform - believe me we will not hesitate a second to include it in the list of features :)

[elderban]

If articles were cached as HTML files and only rebuilt via the admin panel or when the article is updated (and a master copy kept in the database with all of the formating, of course), then you wouldn't have to worry about the server becoming overloaded with SQL queries.

I'm surprised article caching isn't an option already.

[Success]

I want to use Vivvo very much. And, I am planning to pay a thousand for the developer version.

But like the others, I am waiting for these features to be implemented.

- Multiple page articles
- Article caching
- Media manager
- Automatic SEF url using article title keywords
- Installing vivvo in subdirectory but run from root.

All these that I want from Vivvo are actually standard features in the free WordPress.

[boccio]

But like the others, I am waiting for these features to be implemented.

- Multiple page articles - will be
- Article caching - we do have caching
- Media manager - will be after 4.1 release
- Automatic SEF url using article title keywords - probably not
- Installing vivvo in subdirectory but run from root - will be

[apocan]

good news boccio :)

[Sola]

Give us Multipage articles and let us worry about the load on our servers. Caching will also keep the app from querying hte database on every page view, which should really be standard stuff. Every credible CMS out there has it and it is weird that this one doesn't. Some of us post long interviews that now get multiple comments. That's a total waste of potential ad impressions that can be generated with mutliple pages. A 6-page article is created as one page? And its ugly to boot. Check out how ArticleLive does it beautifully.

[theplayer]

just waiting for the hack/update for the multiple pages articles. I hope the update will be soon :(

[theplayer]

in the 4.1 release, will there be mulitple pages articles included?

[boccio]

The feature list is not finished yet, but this feature is on our to-do list. However at this point, I cannot promise it will 100% be included in v4.1

[kovacs]

Just another dreamer here - it would be really nice to get multi-page article support! :)

[theplayer]

We are almost 2 months further, can you say if the 4.1 patch will have this feature?

The feature list is not finished yet, but this feature is on our to-do list. However at this point, I cannot promise it will 100% be included in v4.1

[boccio]

4.1 is not a patch, it is a major release. And it is scheduled (http://www.vivvo.net/roadmap.php) for release in Q2/Q3, so nothing is final yet.

[theplayer]

Ok, so for now no plans for multiple pages articles....:(

4.1 is not a patch, it is a major release. And it is scheduled (http://www.vivvo.net/roadmap.php) for release in Q2/Q3, so nothing is final yet.

[boccio]

I didn't say that :)

[theplayer]

Lol :)

So at this time you don't know if its in the 4.1 version, i/we have to wait...:cool:


I didn't say that :)

[theplayer]

We are almost 2 months further, can you say if the 4.1 version will have the multiple pages article feature?

[theplayer]

2,5 months.... no idea if it's come in the next update boccio ?

[boccio]

I'm afraid that multi-page articles feature won't be a part of upcoming 4.1 release. Sorry for that, it will remain on our to-do list.

[theplayer]

Boccio, sorry for the same questio nagain :P but we searching for a new cms system for one of the biggest site in the netherlands. We think Vivvo is the best solution, but we can't use the cm's without multiple page articles...

I understand every one have his own wishes, but this one isn't that big.... right? Is it possible that Vivvo will make this feauture exclusive for us? Or please can you tell me when you think Vivvo wil have this feature?

Thanks again for your answere!

[theplayer]

after 2 months a little kick...

[boccio]

I'm afraid that is not possible. If we were to make this feature for you, why wouldn't we include in the release as well? :)

I'm really sorry we couldn't provide this feature as part of 4.1 release, it is definitely one of most important things to add in next major release.

[theplayer]

Dear Boccio, thanks for your reply!

I'm happy to hear from you that multiple page articles is one of the most important thing to add in a next release! very good news, this topic is most seen in the forum ;-) so i'm not the only one who is waiting for this update ;-)

Next question... is there any time line when the next major update will be coming or?

I'm afraid that is not possible. If we were to make this feature for you, why wouldn't we include in the release as well? :)

I'm really sorry we couldn't provide this feature as part of 4.1 release, it is definitely one of most important things to add in next major release.

[theplayer]

is there any time line when the next major (multiple page articles) update will be coming?

[boccio]

Version 4.2 is under development and will be out most probably by end of Q2 2009 - http://www.vivvo.net/roadmap.php

Feature list is not complete yet, therefore I cannot guarantee at this point that multi-page articles will be added in this cycle.

[theplayer]

Thank Boccio for your reply. I hope its in version 4.2. thas the more because you said this on 11-112008 ;-)

I'm really sorry we couldn't provide this feature as part of 4.1 release, it is definitely one of most important things to add in next major release.


We will wait :)

Version 4.2 is under development and will be out most probably by end of Q2 2009 - http://www.vivvo.net/roadmap.php

Feature list is not complete yet, therefore I cannot guarantee at this point that multi-page articles will be added in this cycle.

[theplayer]

Hmmm i see there is "just" a customer who build Multiple pages article himself, see: http://www.familytravelforum.com/what/resorts/12854-The-Inn-Palmetto-Bluff-South-Carolina.html

Is there any timeline or plugin or something that will come, so its official from Vivvo? If a customer can make this, you guy's can make this to!?

Hopefully you guy's build this fast in a update!

[bobster65]

Hmmm i see there is "just" a customer who build Multiple pages article himself, see: http://www.familytravelforum.com/what/resorts/12854-The-Inn-Palmetto-Bluff-South-Carolina.html

Is there any timeline or plugin or something that will come, so its official from Vivvo? If a customer can make this, you guy's can make this to!?

Hopefully you guy's build this fast in a update!

I am the one that wrote it and its not a "plugin". Its a custom multipage article system built specifically to the clients specifications. It will not be released here because it is not a plugin.

btw, I am not a customer, I am a professional programmer. The client that I wrote this for however is "just" a customer.

[casca]

I am the one that wrote it and its not a "plugin". Its a custom multipage article system built specifically to the clients specifications. It will not be released here because it is not a plugin.

btw, I am not a customer, I am a professional programmer. The client that I wrote this for however is "just" a customer.

Speaking of which good sir, send me a PM if you will I would like to discuss a few things with you re:your profession :)

[theplayer]

It doens't realy matter who wrote this script. It's a shame that a customer (or you ;-) made it by themselfs. It's an option that Vivvo had to be made by themself much earlyer.....

I hope Vivvo make his own multiple page articles code in the next update!

I am the one that wrote it and its not a "plugin". Its a custom multipage article system built specifically to the clients specifications. It will not be released here because it is not a plugin.

btw, I am not a customer, I am a professional programmer. The client that I wrote this for however is "just" a customer.

[damic]

@theplayer.... I'm sure the Vivvo crew will be adding in something similar very soon... a little birdie told me (along with another post about it :)

I think it's safe to say the the Vivvo team is beyond busy maintaining and building an excellent platform for all to enjoy. One of the fantastic things about it is that we, just like bobster, can create our own custom things and integrate into the structure.

Boccio, Micha and the whole crew are hard at work making the one of the best, if not THE best, system for the masses to use. And I think they've done a bang up job so far.

In the meantime though - this is something that you could always request for more info from bobster - I'm sure it wouldn't be just $5, but I am sure it would be reasonable.

There are those of us on this forum who are "professionals" at something. Some programmers, some designers, some a combination of both... heck, I've even heard rumors of poll dancers...err, poll builders. We all add certain things to the vivvo package since it's so customizable and for uniqueness... our own "flair". That's not to take away from other users here, but we each have our own requirements and needs.

In the end - if anyone really wants Vivvo to have everything that everyone under the sun wants jam packed in it - then expect the system to cost around $10,000. :) I can promise you this system, out of the box, Vivvo is one of the strongest and closest to what is considered "enterprise" level - and that is a stunning accomplishment in itself.

Hats off the Vivvo team for making this incredible playground for us to build new castles in. And hats off to bobster for creating a fantastic modification to his work!

Oh... and bobster... I second casca's post. drop me a pm sometime.

[casca]

It doens't realy matter who wrote this script. It's a shame that a customer (or you ;-) made it by themselfs. It's an option that Vivvo had to be made by themself much earlyer.....

I hope Vivvo make his own multiple page articles code in the next update!

Dude who are you? For real? lol you are like the second suspicious person I've seen come in here with no post count talking trash. Are you from a competitor or something? There reason I say this is because most of the Vivvo users who are active post in this forum and they are as a rule pretty happy with what is going on here.

[theplayer]

I'm verry happy to! And don't understand me wrong, you are great to make this for you customer. The only thing is that Vivvo had to implement this feature from te beginning. Thats the only thing i said ;-)
Ofcourse i know it's an out of the box cms, and ofcourse it's perfect that we can add our own code! So keep up the good work Vivvo and all programmers, designers etc...

Dude who are you? For real? lol you are like the second suspicious person I've seen come in here with no post count talking trash. Are you from a competitor or something? There reason I say this is because most of the Vivvo users who are active post in this forum and they are as a rule pretty happy with what is going on here.

[casca]

I'm verry happy to! And don't understand me wrong, you are great to make this for you customer. The only thing is that Vivvo had to implement this feature from te beginning. Thats the only thing i said ;-)
Ofcourse i know it's an out of the box cms, and ofcourse it's perfect that we can add our own code! So keep up the good work Vivvo and all programmers, designers etc...

I'm not trying to piss on your parade I want multipage articles too :) But, I know they'll get to it when they get to it AND if I really want to I can hire a php programmer to put the functionality in for me. That's what is great you get the entire source code and you can do what you want just like Bobster.

So I'm glad you are happy :) I think you have it wrong though. "Vivvo" doesn't "have" to do it. They set a goal to do it, and like anything else in the real world when you have to fix other things and get larger features in place sometimes they get pushed back. This is one of those times I would imagine and while it sucks not to have this one feature, waiting for it is a small price to pay for a script that actually works and is supported.

Have fun man :)

[theplayer]

that's true :)

[boccio]

They set a goal to do it, and like anything else in the real world when you have to fix other things and get larger features in place sometimes they get pushed back. This is one of those times I would imagine and while it sucks not to have this one feature, waiting for it is a small price to pay for a script that actually works and is supported.

I'm glad at least someone understands us :D

Our main business goal now and forever is to make Vivvo a better system overall, not just bloated with fancy features like stuffed turkey. If we do the job right with core of the system (and I hope we are), I'm sure there will be plethora of add-ons like Multi-page articles and many others coming either from us or from 3rd party developers.

[theplayer]

any progress in the multiple page articles ?

[cubby]

:(

i operate several websites and for the past 4 years i've been using a competitors article script. i'd list the link but i don't want to potentially send them any business. i mean, i refused to update it again because although the upgrade improves some features, it still lacks in a number of areas.

every now and again i get frustrated with this script and look for an alternate. today i googled and found vivvo and to be honest, i got really excited :D having spent THOUSANDS on scripts since 2001, i know what to look for and this appears to be on the money.

i love everything about it (although i haven't used the trial on my servers) and the only reason i signed into the forum was to check and make sure current users weren't complaining about the script for whatever reason. i haven't finished exploring the forum but this post stopped me dead in my tracks :mad:

on one of my sites, i have 400+ articles. a lot of those articles are paginated and too long to appear on one page. many of them have comments that i would probably integrate into a new system.

the comments should be paginated as well. are the comments paginated? what if you have like 100 comments? do they appear on one page?! :eek: what if you have a fixed height website? even if you don't, for someone like me who has been online since 2001, i can't have pages that scroll forever! it's aesthetically wrong for lack of a better word.

i am so bummed right now because functionally, this appears to be an amazing script. i considered open-source - wordpress, but what i like about commercial scripts is that the plugins are managed and upgraded.

given that there hasn't been a lot of posts in this particular topic, it doesn't appear that a lot of people are clamoring for it but i gotta tell ya, it's sorta surprising that this feature isn't standard. i'm not here to demand something given i'm not a customer but i'd really like to be one.

is multi-paging for articles and comments on the 2009 horizon or should i continue my search?

[boccio]

Comments pagination exists, I think we even have that one on Resource Center. If not, you can be provided with this plugin free of charge. You can see that one in action here:
http://www.e-novine.com/comments/stav/28833-ilim-ljudskih-kostiju.html

As for article pagination, there's a developer around here called @bobster65 who did a mod for this. It is mentioned on page 4 of this thread: http://www.vivvo.net/forums/showpost.php?p=22921&postcount=33

As for adding this "officially" in Vivvo, I can't promise this for upcoming release.

[cubby]

Yes, I read that post but it negates purchasing your software. Someone hacking into your code on day 1 to allow for pagination means that I may/may not be able to upgrade when upgrades become available. Or that I will beholden to a programmer to maintain the hack while instituting the upgrades.

I could use Wordpress for free and produce the exact same result. In both instances, I have to ask myself, is this a necessary upgrade and will this upgrade overwrite my pagination? And if I don't upgrade, my site may/may not pose a security risk. It's a financial and technical catch-22 that's not worth the money or the time.

I'll check in from time to time to see if Vivvo uses a smarter system (or someone please PM me if pagination becomes standard :) ) but until then, I google...and google...and google.

[boccio]

I'll check in from time to time to see if Vivvo uses a smarter system (or someone please PM me if pagination becomes standard
It's easier to be on our mailing list :) Hope to see you soon as a customer.

[theplayer]

(no offence)

We hope to see Multiple page articles soon ;-) if you look to this topic how mutch people visit it (now on 7,621 views) i think you will have more sale's if this feauture is (standard) integrated.

We just wait again...

[apocan]

we want this too

[moveed]

we want this too

[casca]

It's easier to be on our mailing list :) Hope to see you soon as a customer.

Lol Boccio EVERYONE wants this function :) Tis true I'm afraid, you guys should just put it in and have a switch to turn it on and off for the folks that want the performance. That way you'll shut everyone up and when they complain tell them they have to upgrade their hardware and put it back on them :)

[bobster65]

Lol Boccio EVERYONE wants this function :) Tis true I'm afraid, you guys should just put it in and have a switch to turn it on and off for the folks that want the performance. That way you'll shut everyone up and when they complain tell them they have to upgrade their hardware and put it back on them :)

not everyone, I already have it :p

[casca]

not everyone, I already have it :p

Bragger :) Ah well the best 3rd party developer should have it :p

[disco4me]

If you sell advertising that rotates this could be a hidden advantage for a site. When a user goes from page to page of an article they would see different ads.

[bobster65]

If you sell advertising that rotates this could be a hidden advantage for a site. When a user goes from page to page of an article they would see different ads.

Which is exactly why one of my clients had me create a multipage article system for them ;)

[disco4me]

Yep. More impressions.

[bobster65]

Yep. More impressions.

Plus with very long articles, pagination makes the layout look much more professional as you don't have to have a ton of blank empty space in the right hand column (if you columnize your article template) and you can also change other various modules (other than Ads)

[boccio]

http://www.vivvo.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7069